RE: ROTC for UWEC?

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Welch, Karen A. (WELCHKA@uwec.edu)
Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:45:55 -0500



From: "Welch, Karen A." <WELCHKA@uwec.edu>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:45:55 -0500
Subject: RE: ROTC for UWEC?
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So Marty, can you tell us more about the federal grant money we would lose if we refused to have the program on campus? Is it money we already receiv e that would be taken away, or money that having a ROTC program would provi de?

Karen

Karen Peterson Welch, Ph.D. Director of Composition Department of English University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire Eau Claire, WI 45702-4004
(715) 836-4630 welchka@uwec.edu
________________________________________ From: sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.edu [sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.edu] On Behalf Of Raleigh, Donna M. [draleigh@uwec.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 12:02 PM To: Wood, Marty; SFPJ Subject: RE: ROTC for UWEC?

In lieu of open communication I appreciate your remarks and would prefer yo u stay involved.

Donna

-----Original Message----- From: sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.edu [mailto: [mailto:sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.e du] On Behalf Of Wood, Marty Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:59 AM To: SFPJ Subject: RE: ROTC for UWEC?

That's pretty much correct - literally, the request comes from ROTC and was
 first submitted a few years ago to Steve Tallant. Steve knew he could not
 outright decline the request without UWEC's losing access to federal grant
 money, but he preferred a small-scale cooperation where our students took their ROTC courses off campus. What's changed today is that the College of
 Business has offered to serve as a site for an on-campus program, if indee d our governance processes will approve such a program (which remains to be
 seen). Next year's arrangement is called a "pilot" for that possible futu re program, with Continuing Ed administering the offering of the four cours es involved. Any college on campus already has the authority to approve Co ntinuing Ed courses for credit in its own curricula. However, no new acade mic program can be established without university faculty approval. So, wh ile the "pilot" can happen silently and without specific governance approva l, a permanent program cannot.

When the Continuing Ed director informed me of this program about a month a go, I pressed for a news release. I did not want our faculty and staff to be surprised to see uniformed students enrolled in ROTC courses on campus ( even as a "pilot") with no prior warning, and with no opportunity to make t heir views known.

I trust that next year's debate about the yet-to-be-proposed academic progr am will be lively and well informed.

Marty

P.S. I'm not sure that everyone in sfpj remembers that I've been a member of this list since its inception. If my current service as interim provost
 makes this awkward for any sfpj folks at this time, I will ask my name be removed from the mailing list. I can rejoin in July!

-----Original Message----- From: sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.edu [mailto: [mailto:sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.e du] On Behalf Of Raleigh, Donna M. Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:51 AM To: Hale, Kate; Drumm, Dan L.; Giamati, Claudia M.; Richmond, Rick; SFPJ Subject: RE: ROTC for UWEC?

Check the minutes of the University Senate Executive Committee from last ye ar. Steve Tallant as Provost mentioned it at one of the Exec Meetings. It w as in the very early stages at that time and, was brought up as a FYI item.

Donna

-----Original Message----- From: sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.edu [mailto: [mailto:sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.e du] On Behalf Of Hale, Kate Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:29 AM To: Drumm, Dan L.; Giamati, Claudia M.; Richmond, Rick; SFPJ Subject: Re: ROTC for UWEC?

This came from and is situated within the College of Business (in conjuncti on, I think, with Continuing Ed courses?). It's not even at a university l evel yet--to make a program they would need Senate cooperation.

Kate

________________________________ From: "Daniel L. Drumm" <drumm@uwec.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:14:36 -0500 To: "Giamati, Claudia M." <GIAMATCM@uwec.edu>, Rick Richmond <>, Rick Richmond <rrichmon@uwec
.edu>, SFPJ <sfpj@listserve.uwec.edu> Subject: RE: ROTC for UWEC?

OK, My first question was how this whole thing got started. Was this init iated generated by the federal government or was this fiscally motivated fr om the University end?

I am surprised I didn't hear about this until now.

- Dan

-----Original Message----- From: sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.edu [mailto: [mailto:sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.e du] On Behalf Of Giamati, Claudia M. Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:31 PM To: Richmond, Rick; SFPJ Subject: RE: ROTC for UWEC?

Point 2 is that which will trump all others{ vestiges of bush 2}

-----Original Message----- From: sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.edu [mailto: [mailto:sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.e du] On Behalf Of Richmond, Rick Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:34 PM To: SFPJ Subject: RE: ROTC for UWEC?

The University is going to respond with a couple of points:

- A number of UWEC students are already enrolled in ROTC through UW-Stout.
 They use our facilities - McPhee, Zorn & athletic fields - yet pay substan tial fees to Stout.

- Refusal to permit an ROTC program on campus if one is requested by the Fe ds can result in the loss of most, if not all, federal funding.

I mention this not in support of the program - I remember too well when I s uffered through mandatory ROTC classes in the 60s - but so that we can coun ter the arguments.

rr

-----Original Message----- From: sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.edu [mailto: [mailto:sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.e du] On Behalf Of Pope, Karen O. Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:39 PM To: SFPJ Subject: ROTC for UWEC?

Hi SFPJ folks: This press release causes me some angst/ alarm, and I expect SFPJ folks mig ht want to be included in any campus wide debate.

http://www.uwec.edu/newsreleases/09/apr/0402ROTC.htm

I couldn't help but be dismayed and a little alarmed that, of all the cours es of study UWEC could add and all the needs we have pressing on our resour ces at the University, UWEC is adding ROTC. It sounds "free" but we know i t is not; and once added, it's insidious and awfully hard to change course/
 mind. Was there a pressing, public need expressed? What was wrong with
 the current arrangement for 8 students to take courses via Stout? I guess
 I don't get it. Is this what the premier liberal arts undergraduate insti tution wants, really?

Do we want to take a position as a group on this issue? Will it come up i n the Fac./student Senates?

Karen Osborne Pope Associate Professor Emerita, McIntyre Library University of WI - Eau Claire popekj@uwec.edu cell 715 529 0272



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