From: "Welch, Karen A." <WELCHKA@uwec.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:45:55 -0500 Subject: RE: ROTC for UWEC? Message-ID: <E3F0E607B3CF71418CE725F002B5F6047A4EF9CDD1@CHERRYPEPSI.uwec.edu>
So Marty, can you tell us more about the federal grant money we would lose
if we refused to have the program on campus? Is it money we already receiv
e that would be taken away, or money that having a ROTC program would provi
de?
Karen
Karen Peterson Welch, Ph.D.
Director of Composition
Department of English
University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire
Eau Claire, WI 45702-4004
(715) 836-4630
welchka@uwec.edu
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From: sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.edu [sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.edu] On
Behalf Of Raleigh, Donna M. [draleigh@uwec.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 12:02 PM
To: Wood, Marty; SFPJ
Subject: RE: ROTC for UWEC?
In lieu of open communication I appreciate your remarks and would prefer yo
u stay involved.
Donna
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From: sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.edu [mailto: [mailto:sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.e
du] On Behalf Of Wood, Marty
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:59 AM
To: SFPJ
Subject: RE: ROTC for UWEC?
That's pretty much correct - literally, the request comes from ROTC and was
first submitted a few years ago to Steve Tallant. Steve knew he could not
outright decline the request without UWEC's losing access to federal grant
money, but he preferred a small-scale cooperation where our students took
their ROTC courses off campus. What's changed today is that the College of
Business has offered to serve as a site for an on-campus program, if indee
d our governance processes will approve such a program (which remains to be
seen). Next year's arrangement is called a "pilot" for that possible futu
re program, with Continuing Ed administering the offering of the four cours
es involved. Any college on campus already has the authority to approve Co
ntinuing Ed courses for credit in its own curricula. However, no new acade
mic program can be established without university faculty approval. So, wh
ile the "pilot" can happen silently and without specific governance approva
l, a permanent program cannot.
When the Continuing Ed director informed me of this program about a month a
go, I pressed for a news release. I did not want our faculty and staff to
be surprised to see uniformed students enrolled in ROTC courses on campus (
even as a "pilot") with no prior warning, and with no opportunity to make t
heir views known.
I trust that next year's debate about the yet-to-be-proposed academic progr
am will be lively and well informed.
Marty
P.S. I'm not sure that everyone in sfpj remembers that I've been a member
of this list since its inception. If my current service as interim provost
makes this awkward for any sfpj folks at this time, I will ask my name be
removed from the mailing list. I can rejoin in July!
-----Original Message-----
From: sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.edu [mailto: [mailto:sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.e
du] On Behalf Of Raleigh, Donna M.
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:51 AM
To: Hale, Kate; Drumm, Dan L.; Giamati, Claudia M.; Richmond, Rick; SFPJ
Subject: RE: ROTC for UWEC?
Check the minutes of the University Senate Executive Committee from last ye
ar. Steve Tallant as Provost mentioned it at one of the Exec Meetings. It w
as in the very early stages at that time and, was brought up as a FYI item.
Donna
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From: sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.edu [mailto: [mailto:sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.e
du] On Behalf Of Hale, Kate
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:29 AM
To: Drumm, Dan L.; Giamati, Claudia M.; Richmond, Rick; SFPJ
Subject: Re: ROTC for UWEC?
This came from and is situated within the College of Business (in conjuncti
on, I think, with Continuing Ed courses?). It's not even at a university l
evel yet--to make a program they would need Senate cooperation.
Kate
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From: "Daniel L. Drumm" <drumm@uwec.edu>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:14:36 -0500
To: "Giamati, Claudia M." <GIAMATCM@uwec.edu>, Rick Richmond <>, Rick Richmond <rrichmon@uwec
.edu>, SFPJ <sfpj@listserve.uwec.edu>
Subject: RE: ROTC for UWEC?
OK, My first question was how this whole thing got started. Was this init
iated generated by the federal government or was this fiscally motivated fr
om the University end?
I am surprised I didn't hear about this until now.
- Dan
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From: sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.edu [mailto: [mailto:sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.e
du] On Behalf Of Giamati, Claudia M.
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:31 PM
To: Richmond, Rick; SFPJ
Subject: RE: ROTC for UWEC?
Point 2 is that which will trump all others{ vestiges of bush 2}
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From: sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.edu [mailto: [mailto:sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.e
du] On Behalf Of Richmond, Rick
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:34 PM
To: SFPJ
Subject: RE: ROTC for UWEC?
The University is going to respond with a couple of points:
- A number of UWEC students are already enrolled in ROTC through UW-Stout.
They use our facilities - McPhee, Zorn & athletic fields - yet pay substan
tial fees to Stout.
- Refusal to permit an ROTC program on campus if one is requested by the Fe
ds can result in the loss of most, if not all, federal funding.
I mention this not in support of the program - I remember too well when I s
uffered through mandatory ROTC classes in the 60s - but so that we can coun
ter the arguments.
rr
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From: sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.edu [mailto: [mailto:sfpj-request@listserve.uwec.e
du] On Behalf Of Pope, Karen O.
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:39 PM
To: SFPJ
Subject: ROTC for UWEC?
Hi SFPJ folks:
This press release causes me some angst/ alarm, and I expect SFPJ folks mig
ht want to be included in any campus wide debate.
http://www.uwec.edu/newsreleases/09/apr/0402ROTC.htm
I couldn't help but be dismayed and a little alarmed that, of all the cours
es of study UWEC could add and all the needs we have pressing on our resour
ces at the University, UWEC is adding ROTC. It sounds "free" but we know i
t is not; and once added, it's insidious and awfully hard to change course/
mind. Was there a pressing, public need expressed? What was wrong with
the current arrangement for 8 students to take courses via Stout? I guess
I don't get it. Is this what the premier liberal arts undergraduate insti
tution wants, really?
Do we want to take a position as a group on this issue? Will it come up i
n the Fac./student Senates?
Karen Osborne Pope Associate Professor Emerita, McIntyre Library University of WI - Eau Claire popekj@uwec.edu cell 715 529 0272